MicroLED not here [1], NanoRod OLED gone [2], QDEL not any time soon, QD Film ( used here ) isn't getting any better.
I guess we have to stick to OLED for quite some time. I still dont think Tandem OLED is the solution for PC. Especially not when I have the monitor turned on for 16 hours per day and uses it most days of the year.
I wonder if MacBook Pro will stick to LCD. While something like MacBook Air could switch to OLED just to be thinner.
[1] For small display, for TV and signage they seems to be doing fine.
[2] Samsung has reportedly given up on the idea. LG stopped R&D as well.
With respect, OLED wearout from 16x365 use is a 'you problem'. The manufacturers will be delighted to sell you a new €1200 monitor every 4-5 years, and I'm sure their shareholders would support the improved revenue stream. Masses of consumers with their wallets is the only opposing force, and that assumes they will have an alternative available to choose (one day).
I'm not saying this is a good thing, mind, I'm just saying that this is just the sort of rent-seeking we should increasingly expect from the industry. Apple has no significant incentive to make a laptop screen last longer than the warranty period, and all manufacturers will happily pass on substandard performance to consumers as 'normal' and spin it as providing an Insanely Great user experience on new devices. Remember back when you couldn't get an expensive LCD monitor RMA'd even if it had 4-5 dead pixels, because that was 'normal'?
> Apple has no significant incentive to make a laptop screen last longer than the warranty period
It’s not that simple: Macs famously hold their resale value well and many people buy on the assumption that they’ll be able to swap for a newer model after a few years. They’re not beholden to maintain that by a legal contract but that’s the kind of reputation which takes decades to build and Apple doesn’t show signs of wanting to throw it away or dive into the low-margin space.
The color a quantum dot emits is defined by its size, larger dots are redder, smaller dots bluer. This is a quantum effect and happens due to their small size (a few nm each).
Are the screen more sturdy than on the MacBook Air M1? I really didn't like my M1 dying overnight after 13 months, when the base warranty had just expired and apple asked me 67% (!) of the price of what I paid the M1 to fix the screen. I didn't and I use it as a desktop since then, hooked to an external monitor.
For comparison, my LG Gram can be casually thrown down concrete stairs [1] and shall happily keep working.
I'm not asking for something as incredible as that LG Gram's screen (from a reliability point of view) but I'd like to know if these newer MacBook laptops have screens less fragile than the first M1 laptops.
[1] Not my vid but it's my experience with that laptop. Cat can jump on it, previous owner did step on it while waking up: do that to a Mac M1 laptop and it dies instantly. But my "MILSPEC" LG Gram: you cannot really damage that laptop (look at 35 seconds):
Apple tried that with me when the screen died on my MacBook Pro M1. There is a law in the UK (Consumer Rights Act 2015) that says goods purchased must be fit for purpose for six years. I quoted this to support and they instantly agreed to fix it for free, sent me a box to put it in then collected it. I had it back within 2 weeks fully repaired and working again.
We have similar laws in Australia. There's no point buying AppleCare or any warranty in Australia but they try to sell it anyway. There's no fixed term but it's at least 2-3 years, and often more.
I had a MBP mainboard replaced after four(?) years in a generation where the graphics chip was known for dying. Late 2012 maybe? That machine had so many replacement parts, I think it might be a ship of Theseus by this point.
Digital nomad here. Anecdotal but I've been able to travel the world for weeks at a time with my 14" M1 Pro and it has never failed me. I also have applecare if I ever need it.
Yeah I had a mid-2012 macbook pro and it lasted me almost 10 years, as a full time software dev that is. Replaced a fan, a cable and the HD to SSD, and the battery was over, but other than that kept going strong until I was sort of forced to upgrade because a newer iOS OS required a newer XCode required a newer MacOS required a newer laptop.
I have to say it was fun anticipating my new laptop watching the benchmarks and observing like a 10x (multi core) improvement.
2012 was 12 years ago when they were make like bricks and had all the ports and parts were replaceable. Let's see how current MacBooks will hold up in 12 years. I bet they won't be so lucky.
Studio Display is pretty good, for it's specs it's best in class. (It's basically just the 5k LG panel with upgrades to connectivity, post-processing and integrated speakers/webcam).
I guess you're unhappy with the spec though? I haven't found any better 5K displays.
I've recently upgraded from LG 5K (dead pixels, warranty returned money) to Studio Display. I have never thought, how much I love reasonably (for a monitor) good speakers integrated into a monitor.
Also, Studio Display is brighter (600 nits vs 500 nits).
5K displays are very limit set in the first place. There is Studio Display, LG Ultrafine 5K and Samsung ViewFinity 5K. Samsung seems to be better value than Studio Display.
It is, but on the other hand, I would prefer to have plastic display with two inputs (since I have two computers; desktop and laptop) than aluminum one with just one input.
MicroLED not here [1], NanoRod OLED gone [2], QDEL not any time soon, QD Film ( used here ) isn't getting any better.
I guess we have to stick to OLED for quite some time. I still dont think Tandem OLED is the solution for PC. Especially not when I have the monitor turned on for 16 hours per day and uses it most days of the year.
I wonder if MacBook Pro will stick to LCD. While something like MacBook Air could switch to OLED just to be thinner.
[1] For small display, for TV and signage they seems to be doing fine.
[2] Samsung has reportedly given up on the idea. LG stopped R&D as well.
With respect, OLED wearout from 16x365 use is a 'you problem'. The manufacturers will be delighted to sell you a new €1200 monitor every 4-5 years, and I'm sure their shareholders would support the improved revenue stream. Masses of consumers with their wallets is the only opposing force, and that assumes they will have an alternative available to choose (one day).
I'm not saying this is a good thing, mind, I'm just saying that this is just the sort of rent-seeking we should increasingly expect from the industry. Apple has no significant incentive to make a laptop screen last longer than the warranty period, and all manufacturers will happily pass on substandard performance to consumers as 'normal' and spin it as providing an Insanely Great user experience on new devices. Remember back when you couldn't get an expensive LCD monitor RMA'd even if it had 4-5 dead pixels, because that was 'normal'?
> Apple has no significant incentive to make a laptop screen last longer than the warranty period
It’s not that simple: Macs famously hold their resale value well and many people buy on the assumption that they’ll be able to swap for a newer model after a few years. They’re not beholden to maintain that by a legal contract but that’s the kind of reputation which takes decades to build and Apple doesn’t show signs of wanting to throw it away or dive into the low-margin space.
previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42152928
M4 MacBook Pros use a quantum dot (QD) film rather than a red KSF phosphor film (twitter.com/dsccross)
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See also:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42143598
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42142769
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42152928
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42146321
whats 'quantum' about it?
The color a quantum dot emits is defined by its size, larger dots are redder, smaller dots bluer. This is a quantum effect and happens due to their small size (a few nm each).
thanks :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_dot
Are the screen more sturdy than on the MacBook Air M1? I really didn't like my M1 dying overnight after 13 months, when the base warranty had just expired and apple asked me 67% (!) of the price of what I paid the M1 to fix the screen. I didn't and I use it as a desktop since then, hooked to an external monitor.
For comparison, my LG Gram can be casually thrown down concrete stairs [1] and shall happily keep working.
I'm not asking for something as incredible as that LG Gram's screen (from a reliability point of view) but I'd like to know if these newer MacBook laptops have screens less fragile than the first M1 laptops.
[1] Not my vid but it's my experience with that laptop. Cat can jump on it, previous owner did step on it while waking up: do that to a Mac M1 laptop and it dies instantly. But my "MILSPEC" LG Gram: you cannot really damage that laptop (look at 35 seconds):
https://youtu.be/herYV5TJ_m8
Apple tried that with me when the screen died on my MacBook Pro M1. There is a law in the UK (Consumer Rights Act 2015) that says goods purchased must be fit for purpose for six years. I quoted this to support and they instantly agreed to fix it for free, sent me a box to put it in then collected it. I had it back within 2 weeks fully repaired and working again.
We have similar laws in Australia. There's no point buying AppleCare or any warranty in Australia but they try to sell it anyway. There's no fixed term but it's at least 2-3 years, and often more.
good to know, I didn't know we had such a law. thanks for posting this
Wait, so in UK products come with a six year warranty?
The consumer has a right to replacement or repair for six years after purchase in certain circumstances - see https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/consumer/somethings-gone-w... - any warranty the seller chooses to supply is in addition to this.
I had a MBP mainboard replaced after four(?) years in a generation where the graphics chip was known for dying. Late 2012 maybe? That machine had so many replacement parts, I think it might be a ship of Theseus by this point.
The deceptive problem with MacBooks is that they look sturdy, but aren't.
Digital nomad here. Anecdotal but I've been able to travel the world for weeks at a time with my 14" M1 Pro and it has never failed me. I also have applecare if I ever need it.
I've dragged multiple MBPs all over the world, they're the sturdiest thing you can get short of a getac or a tough book.
my mid-2012 air would like a word.
Yeah I had a mid-2012 macbook pro and it lasted me almost 10 years, as a full time software dev that is. Replaced a fan, a cable and the HD to SSD, and the battery was over, but other than that kept going strong until I was sort of forced to upgrade because a newer iOS OS required a newer XCode required a newer MacOS required a newer laptop.
I have to say it was fun anticipating my new laptop watching the benchmarks and observing like a 10x (multi core) improvement.
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2012 was 12 years ago when they were make like bricks and had all the ports and parts were replaceable. Let's see how current MacBooks will hold up in 12 years. I bet they won't be so lucky.
My M1 is still fine after 3 years of usage, being dropped from 1m+ by my cat, and being sat on (while in a backpack though).
Maybe they’ll finally release a good studio display
Studio Display is pretty good, for it's specs it's best in class. (It's basically just the 5k LG panel with upgrades to connectivity, post-processing and integrated speakers/webcam).
I guess you're unhappy with the spec though? I haven't found any better 5K displays.
I've recently upgraded from LG 5K (dead pixels, warranty returned money) to Studio Display. I have never thought, how much I love reasonably (for a monitor) good speakers integrated into a monitor.
Also, Studio Display is brighter (600 nits vs 500 nits).
5K displays are very limit set in the first place. There is Studio Display, LG Ultrafine 5K and Samsung ViewFinity 5K. Samsung seems to be better value than Studio Display.
There's few new 5K monitors: ASUS ProArt Display 5K PA27JCV (already sold for $799) and Benq DesignVue PD2730S.
They both look very nice; thanks for the tip.
I cannot find the LG one anywhere, I think it was discontinued.
Build quality compared to the Apple display is quite different though.
It is, but on the other hand, I would prefer to have plastic display with two inputs (since I have two computers; desktop and laptop) than aluminum one with just one input.
Agree, I would need at least two inputs.
The price for an IPS panel is questionable. QLED much better.
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